H.J. von Sengbusch

[Venepoeg]

This pic signed by Г.И. фон Зенгбуш as "Petograd - Tsarskoe Selo 1916-1919". In the prof. Boykov's "Biogaphic's of the North-West Army's ranks" I found info about Hermann von Sengbusch, North-West Army officer who had moved to Estonian Army. I guess he was born some where in Estonia but didn't find matches in Google.
Could anybody help with info?

[Ben]

Hermann Sengbusch was born in Tartu 13.06.1887, served as volunteer in engineer units 1907-1908, and was mobilized 1914, promoted to ensign 195 after ensign school in Oranienburg.

but - his fathers name was Konrad, which is not matching with initials on your photo. And the person on the picture is not an officer. Generally he may be officer cadet, but I never saw cadet's shoulder board with that kind of badge. I guess, that man belongs to that unit - Учебная автомобильная рота.

[Venepoeg]

Hermann Sengbusch was born in Tartu 13.06.1887, served as volunteer in engineer units 1907-1908, and was mobilized 1914, promoted to ensign 195 after ensign school in Oranienburg.

but - his fathers name was Konrad, which is not matching with initials on your photo. And the person on the picture is not an officer. Generally he may be officer cadet, but I never saw cadet's shoulder board with that kind of badge. I guess, that man belongs to that unit - Учебная автомобильная рота.

Thank You very much!
"Oranienburg" - Oranienbaum's or Orenburg's? Oranienburg is in Germany.
About his father's name I can't solve that contradiction, probably that connected with convertation from Lutheranism to Orthodoxy. I mean Ostsee Germans normally didn't use father's name but if changed religion - they do not in normal way. For example:
"2/1. ПЕТР РЕЙНГОЛЬД (Петр Андреевич) БЕРЕНС, род. в Обухове 19 апреля 1774 г . Унаследовал от отца вместе с братом Обуховский пороховой завод с мастеровыми и работными людьми. (190 муж., 200 жен. душ). В 1784 г . поступил фурьером в л.-гв. Михайловский (? - изд.) полк, с 01.01.1788 г. - сержант, с 01.01.1795 г. - капитан, 27.05.1795 г. определен в Московский полевой 4-й батальон, с 26.12.1798 г. -- майор. В 1799 г . участвовал в походе в Галицию. Переведен 13.10.1799 г. в Московский гренадерский полк. 27.09.1800 г. освобожден от службы подполковником. Вновь вступил в службу 20.08.1801 г. в Рязанский мушкетерский полк, переведен 21.05.1802 г. в Великолукский мушкетерский полк. 25.12.1802 г. уволен в отставку. С 04.05.1803 г. писался надворным советником. 02.04.1804 г. избран предводителем дворянства Богородского уезда на трехлетие, 20.05.1814 г. избран вновь уездным предводителем на два года. Скончался 29 марта 1818 г . Бракосочетался с АННОЙ АМАЛИЕЙ фон С у т г о ф, родившейся 9 октября 1783 г .

3/1. ГЕНРИХ ГЕОРГ (Андрей Андреевич) БЕРЕНС, родился в Обухове 7 октября 1777 г . Вместе с братом наследовал Обуховский завод. Отставной секунд-майор. Депутат Богородского уездного дворянства в 1807-1810 гг. Скончался в Обухове 11 сентября 1820 г . от «обессилия (составного гриппа)» и погребен 17 сентября на погосте церкви св. Петра и Павла, что на Клязьме. Бракосочетался 25 августа 1807 г . с ЕЛЕНОЙ фон Алопеус, родившейся 4 февраля 1784 г .

But I'm not sure about that.

About his shoulder boards. Yes, is not officer. Someone who finished Training automotive company and at the moment serving as driver at artillery unit or amored vehicles unit (he has two special symbols at boards - automobile and artillery). I think photo could be taken in period between mobilization and ensign school and signed few years later.

[Ben]

correct name is of course Oranienbaum, sorry for that.

about shoulder boards - Sengbuch went 1908 to reserve as "senior engineer conductor". Wikipedia says that "Кондуктор — воинское звание, присваивавшееся чертёжникам и художникам в главных, окружных и полевых инженерных управлениях." Senior conductor should be non-commissioned officer and therefore have some stripes on the shoulder - this guy hasn't. He served 1914 at "Riia insener distantsias" and later with 69th reserve battalion, went in January 1915 to the Oranienbaum.

and additionally - that kind of combination - artillery with automotive units (Actually last one should be combination of "usual" automotive insignia with machine gun => armoured car units) (пушечные бронеотряды) existed, but came very late, as far I know 1917. To that point Hermann Sengbusch was already promoted to lieutenant/poruchik.

[Venepoeg]

I think this is some other of Sengbuschs
What do You think?

[Ben]

I agree
Petrograd was not mentioned on Hermann Sengbusch service list at all. But I am really cirious, how looked the shoulder boards of a engineer conductor.

[Venepoeg]

I agree
Petrograd was not mentioned on Hermann Sengbusch service list at all. But I am really cirious, how looked the shoulder boards of a engineer conductor.

Oranienbaum is not far from Petrograd.
I'll ask about shoulder boards someone who knows and answer to You here.
And what about Your Sengbusch? Did he serve in Loodearmee and Estonian Army?

[Ben]

yes, from september 1918 to February 1920, was wounded.
Oranienbaum is not far from either Petrograd or Tsarskoje Selo, but he was at Oranienbaum jan.-march 1915 and not 1916-19 but on front.

[Venepoeg]

yes, from september 1918 to February 1920, was wounded.
Oranienbaum is not far from either Petrograd or Tsarskoje Selo, but he was at Oranienbaum jan.-march 1915 and not 1916-19 but on front.

What the unit of NWA?

[Venepoeg]

yes, from september 1918 to February 1920, was wounded.
Oranienbaum is not far from either Petrograd or Tsarskoje Selo, but he was at Oranienbaum jan.-march 1915 and not 1916-19 but on front.

What the unit of NWA?

I was sure my photo exactly connected with that NWA's Sengbusch because of place and date signed at photo. Very interested now who is Г.И. фон Зенгбуш.

[Ben]

yes, from september 1918 to February 1920, was wounded.
Oranienbaum is not far from either Petrograd or Tsarskoje Selo, but he was at Oranienbaum jan.-march 1915 and not 1916-19 but on front.

What the unit of NWA?

he's not mentioning the unit, but says, that he was 3x wounded (+ 3x 1915 and 1916)

[Venepoeg]

how looked the shoulder boards of a engineer conductor.

Answer from specialist was "pobably same as senior non-commissioned officer".

[Venepoeg]

Excuse me, Ben, who else it could be with initial Г (G or H) and И (I, J)?

[Venepoeg]

ПСЗ РИ

[Venepoeg]

Excuse me, could anybody be kind to provide information about military service of that man?: http://www.geni.com/people/Heinrich-Kon ... 7191028493