Poolas leiti 45.Rgt. meeste haud...

[LoCo]

Poolas leiti 25.- 30.01.1945 Schönwitz'is langenud 45.Rgt. meeste haud.
http://wpolityce.pl/galerie/57127-na-op ... ss-zdjecia

[LoCo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmmEWi-SknU

[speedsta]

Ammu juba mõtteis üks koht Poolamaal - Mittenwalde ehk Nowa Jamka

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Võimalik, et seal muruplatsil paremat kätt ongi õige koht

[freiwilliger]

Sõjamuuseumist kuulsin, et Poola poolelt on nendega kontakteerunud ka üks entusiastlik ja asjalik noormees, kes on kuidagi seotud samuti sõjalõpu lahingutes langenud eestlaste (väljakaevatud või leitud hauad) tuvastamisega. Igatahes on logistika ametlik ja info liigub.

[LoCo]

Sõjamuuseumist kuulsin, et Poola poolelt on nendega kontakteerunud ka üks entusiastlik ja asjalik noormees, kes on kuidagi seotud samuti sõjalõpu lahingutes langenud eestlaste (väljakaevatud või leitud hauad) tuvastamisega. Igatahes on logistika ametlik ja info liigub.

Hea kuulda!

Kamraad vahepeal informeeris järgmist:
Eesti Riigiarhiivis hoitakse dokumendikausta R-165/1/59 nimega Relva SS Hooldusohvitser Eestis / Teateid saksa sõjaväes surmasaanud eestlaste kohta ning nende matmisplaanid. Alustatud 1944 Lõpetatud 1945.
Juba toimiku esilehel on üks neist 23 eestlasest kes Schönwitzis langenud ja see on 22.04.1927 Meeksi v. Tartumaal sündinud W.-Gren. Heino Alber kes langes 25.01.1945 Drf. Schönwitz / O.Schl. Välipostinumber ehk FP-Nr.: 48958-C ehk 6./ W.-Gren.Rgt.d.SS 45. Surmapõhjuseks on lask pähe ja ta tunnusmärk ehk Erkennungsmarke: 20.W.Gren.Div.d.SS Nr. 10665.

[speedsta]

Kunagi suhtlesin ise ka ühe poolakaga, kes tegutses Karbischau kandis, miliaar.net leidis märksõna järgi ülesse. Tema tuias siis kohapeal ringi ja saatis mulle päris mitu pilti sealsetest külades, samuti sellest väidetavast matmiskohast. Aga aasta oli siis 2008, meid ründas masu ning mõte jäi soiku. Pinget pakub eelkõige selle tõttu, et üks Nowa Jamkas maetutest on minu vanaonu. Kirjutan veel täna poolakale ja küsin kuidas asjaolud on seal kandis.

[speedsta]

Schönwitz kohta samuti pildid olemas:

[speedsta]

Tegelikult tuleb artikkel ka korralikult läbi lugeda Nowe Jamkas on ekshumeerimine juba eelmine aasta läbi viidud. Seega jääb suur Poola väljasõit ära.

[speedsta]

Poolakaga kontakt loodud, jagas artiklit eelmise aasta kaevamistest:
http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcs.dll/article ... /120809642

First exhumation was in Ciepielowice (Steffansgrund) - 37 bodies (mostly Estonians), they had 12 erkennungsmarke
nnungsmarke

second was in Nowa Jamka - Mittenwalde - 9 bodies - I don't have details but I can ask and find out

third is in Karczow - Karshau - Schonwitz - now they found 12 bodies (from 23) and 3 erkennungsmarke (one is german from tank)

[speedsta]

Karczow/Karshau/Schonwitz:

[Jacek Opole]

hello,

My name is Jacek Cielecki and I come from Opole. From four years researching the history of Estonians in Silesia in 1945. Currently I create the first Polish monograph on the subject. He also deals with Stowarzyszenie Pomost, acting on behalf of Volksbund in Poland exhumations estonian soldiers who fell in battle in 1945. It also works with the Estonian War Museum, by providing materials that helped a lot at work.
We have already made three exhumation: Karczow, Nowa Jamka, Ciepielowice.

Did I understand that here in the forum said a relative of a soldier buried in Nowa Jamka? If so, please contact us and poinstruje as it is referred to as information about a relative.

[speedsta]

Hello!

My grand-uncle was burried in Nowa Jamka, grave nr 5 Hans Väljaru. Are those soldiers re-buried to Nadolice Wielkie?

[Jacek Opole]

Yup, All Estonians buried in Silesia, will be re-buried in Nadolice Wielkie near Wrocław.

Have you some infos and photos about yours grand - uncle?? This is very interesing.

About date of re-buried, you muss contact with Volksbund.

[Jacek Opole]

Acha, in Karczow we found 33 bodies of soldiers ( propably mostly Estonian and some Germans)

[Jacek Opole]

Hello,

Earlier this week, the exhumation was carried out in Wrzoski. Found 13 soldiers - including probably two Estonians of 45 SS Grenadier Regiment.

This a text from Nowa Trybuna Opolska translated in english.

First Text

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Near Opole opened the grave before 69 years [ video ]

Added: April 29, 2014 , 13:07 Author : Artur Janowski

German grave in Wrzoski
Near Opole opened the grave before 69 years

In 1945, the tomb in Wrzoskach had hit 22 German and Estonian soldiers. Today grave discovered representatives of the association platform .

Germans and Estonians fought in 1945 on the German side was buried right next to the road. The team reached the first prospector bodies, but their identification will be very difficult.

- The remains are almost completely decomposed , so the chances of finding readable identifiers military have negligible - admits Adam Białas from the Stowarzyszenie ,,Pomost'' .

The Association seeks , identifies and exhumed the graves of the fallen in World War II the Germans on behalf of the Foundation "Pamięć " from Warsaw.

Exhumations take place almost throughout the year. Within a month, sometimes even discovered more than a hundred of debris at various points in Polish western , where the association is established.

Adam Bialas advises that anyone who knows the undiscovered grave in your neighborhood can report it by association .

- We check each signal, even the ones at the beginning seem unlikely - Whitey says , adding that the first information about the grave in Wrzoskach just came from one of the residents of the village.

More about searching the bodies of soldiers who died in 1945 in tomorrow's issue of the New Tribune of Opole .

This a link for orginal text with photos:

http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcs.dll/article ... 389#block2

Second Text

Thirteen soldiers were buried beside the road in Wrzoski [ Video ]
In Wrzoski found the remains of German soldiers and Estonian .

Today ended - lasted three days - exhumation .

Forgotten grave was located next to the former fire station . As is apparent from the information Stowarzyszenie ,,Pomost'' - dealing with the location of graves and moving troops to the cemetery in Nadolice Wielkie - in the grave was to be buried 22 soldiers.

Meanwhile, it turned out that in the tomb - located just off the road - found the remains of only 13 victims and the so-called 3 . Dog Tags that might help identify the soldiers who died in January 1945. Signs on one of them suggested that it belonged to the 20th Estonian SS Grenadier Division .

- Dog tags , however, are in poor condition and there is no assurance that we read of them all the information - admits Maximilian Frąckowiak from the Stowarzyszenie ,,Pomost'' .
The mystery remains smaller number of victims, which was found in the tomb. Residents Wrzosek , observing the exhumation , suggested that many years ago, some bodies were taken . They told also that buried in the grave also civilians.

- They did not find - highlights Frąckowiak .

It is worth remembering that the purpose of the exhumation works is not only the transfer of remains to the cemetery altar of war , but also the identification of the dead, which ratures happily alert families about the place of burial .

Many families are still waiting for the information.

Link for the Text:

http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcs.dll/article ... /140439934